Dark ages, middle ages, and how it’s all the fault of the Christians

While reading James Hannam’s blog Quodlibeta I noticed this post, discussing the history of vivisection and dissection.  It references a rather bad-tempered post by atheist polemicist Richard Carrier here

The nice thing in the discussion is to see ancient medical writers discussed and quoted.  James shows that the Hellenistic physicians Herophilus and Erasistratus carried out human vivisections in Alexandria, as witnessed by Celsus the 1st century medical author.  He rightly comments that we should not suppose that, just because we would find this appalling, an ancient would do so.  Martial’s epigrams describing things done to criminals in the arena make that plain enough.

I had never heard of Herophilus, still less that a edition of the fragments existed by Heinrich von Staten (Cambridge, 1989).  Religious controversy does unearth things that calmer debate would not, and we can all be enriched therevy.

Richard Carrier’s post is too long and too far outside my area of interest (and too unreferenced) for me to read much of it.  A couple of passages in it caught my eye accidentally. 

He objected to a Christian saying “[The Christians] preserved and copied an enormous amount of Greek mathematics, technical writings, and natural philosophy.”  This unexceptionable statement apparently upset Dr. C, who met it with the objection that only a tiny percentage of ancient literature has survived.  I was unclear how this evidently true observation refuted the point made, however.  Surely both are true?

keyser_encycl_natsciMuch more interesting in the same part of the post was an image of a book cover attached, which proved to be that of Paul Keyser &c, Encyclopedia of Ancient Natural Scientists (here).  I had not heard of this book, but as regular readers will know I am rather an enthusiast for compedia of authors.  But at $360, who of us could buy a copy?  Keyser himself is interviewed here; he turns out to be a fellow software engineer, working for IBM, who has also produced Greek science of the hellenistic era on the basis that:

Science accounts for more of the texts surviving from antiquity than any other sort of writing, and yet is rarely studied or even read because the texts are relatively hard to find in translation.

Well said, sir!  How many of us are even familiar with the dusty volumes of ancient science, the 20-odd volumes of Galen, and the like?

I don’t pretend to be that interested in the history of science, so much of what was discussed was above my head.  But one element involved a curious misunderstanding.  Carrier barks repeatedly that the term “Dark Ages” is one that is being suppressed in our day, and being suppressed by the awful Christians, because they are trying to conceal how awful it was. 

The attempts to remove the term from our language certainly exist, in our day, but I never heard that the Christians were responsible.  After all, whoever used any other term, before our own days?  On the contrary; most Christians I ever heard of think the middle ages was a period of degeneration in religion and everything else, and think of the poor conditions in the West during the Dark Ages, rather than the unknown splendours of Syriac and Arabic science.

The people who object to it seem primarily to be the medievalists.  Presumably professional pride influences this.  Indeed one medievalist has never spoken to me, ever since I queried a gross mis-characterisation of that wretched period of human existence.  Another, probably more influential group, seems to be the politically correct.  Why these object to it I do not know. 

But what seems quite clear to me is that the dichotomy is not between Christian and heathen, but between those like myself who look at the Dark Ages as a time in which we would certainly not like to live, unlike antiquity; and those more interested in it who see things differently.

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How not to do it; AbdulHaq’s “Before Nicea”

I’ve come across a Moslem pamphlet rubbishing Christian origins.  It’s available as an eBook here.  The authors are not orientals, but Britons who have converted to Islam and taken Arabic names.  As such they have no access to Eastern literature and have had to make use of whatever anti-Christian literature they could find.

I find it hard to read 99 pages online, but the general approach is to heap up quotations by western writers, whoever they may be, rubbishing the bible, the fathers, and so on.  The quotations are plainly taken from atheist literature, quoting such elderly “authorities” as Gibbon and Toland (1718)!  Some of the quotations look extremely suspect — F. G. Kenyon is quoted in a sense opposite to every work of his that I have ever read.

But AbdulHaq goes further.  He wants to claim that the people he quotes were all Christians, that what is said here by anti-Christian polemicists is what Christians say about themselves.  He states:

During conversations whilst compiling this work, it was noted that many evangelical Christians would argue that the Christian scholars quoted in this work for example are ‘not really Christian.’

To this he responds as might be expected.

Unfortunately AbdulHaq has defeated himself before he began.   The argument he has borrowed is the old 19th century atheist jeer “Who are you to say who is a Christian and who is not?”  Logically that is nonsense, unless the word “Christian” has no meaning.  It’s merely a gibe intended to weaken the appeal to the name of Christian, so that people who live by convenience but claim the name of Christian may evade the plain teaching of Christianity. 

To assist this process, the establishment — hardly eager to have their lives examined! — has always appointed people to bishoprics who have publicly made clear that Christianity was not true, or were men of immoral life, or both.  These men act as cuckoos in the nest, pushing out the real nestlings and in the confusion allowing the vicious to continue as before.  A former bishop of Durham, David Jenkins, publicly said that he did not believe in Jesus’ Resurrection. When Christian evangelist David Watson was running university missions calling students to repentance and conversion, he used to run counter-missions to encourage them to remain drunken fornicators as before.  Such activity qualified him, in the view of the church appointments committee, for high ecclesiastical office.

We all know that there is a pool of hyopcrites and liars around, and atheists make use of them as the establishment intends, to divert the argument from “Is Christianity true” to “Is this revolting person lying when he claims to be a Christian, and who is to say?”  Atheists need confusion, in order that their lifestyle of convenience may be hidden in the smoke.

But none of this helps AbdulHaq.  He needs clarity.  He needs to attack what Christianity is, not what it is not.  Confusion merely obstructs him from coming to grips with the enemy. 

If I wrote against Islam, it would be very silly for me to find some depraved soul who drank and never prayed and didn’t believe in the Koran, yet still claimed the name of Moslem, and use his ‘views’ as evidence of what Moslems believed.  I would need, for my argument, to make sure that those I quoted were accepted, by Moslems, as Moslems.

AbdulHaq could compile endless quotes from enemies of the church.   But it would show nothing except that Christianity attracts the enmity of people who live immoral lives and want to claim the name of Christian!   Well, I think we all knew that!  

For his polemic to work, he must attack Christians.  It does him no manner of good to confuse into his argument people who Christians don’t accept as believers.   This element of his book simply fails.

If his argument is that many scholars reject Christianity, it must be observed that this must be a rather dangerous argument for him to make.  Do those same scholars accept Islam?  Or do they merely repeat what is the fashionable religious consensus of their age?  If the latter, their testimony again does not help him.

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The Christian-baiting season is now open!

Yes, it’s that time of year again.  Time to BASH THE CHRISTIANS!  Time to dig out those dog-eared bits of hearsay, and prepare to throw them.  Whenever someone dares to suggest that Christmas should be about Christ, rather than drink, gluttony, fornication and selling stuff to morons who should know better, you’ll be ready! 

Just scream: “Jesus is really Mithras/ Osiris/ Odin/ Horus/ some Mexican dude you can’t spell/ Elvis/ Angelina Jolie/ an alien spaceship/all of the above at the same time”!  That’ll show them that you won’t be listening. 

Or “Christmas is really a really really ancient pagan festival of the Tharg-folk / Germans / Greeks / Chinese / whoever”!  Not you know, but they sure won’t know.  And since they’re all honest folk, they won’t suppose that you would say something you don’t know or care whether it’s true.  Just be impudent, and watch them shuffle and make excuses.  Then you can get back to self-indulgence!

Who cares if it’s true?  The jeer is the thing!

Some sensible discussion on this in patches in here, with some excuses for this conduct which try to blame the victim, and from which I quote this response:

I could care less what someone does in December. But they don’t solemnly celebrate the solstice, they seek Christians out and bash them. God is not real, Jesus was the product of a Roman soldier raping Mary, this is a pagan ritual, etc etc. I don’t go knocking on people’s doors saying put up the nativity, God hates you, your pagans are dead and forgotten, etc.

We tend to think all this rubbish about “25 Dec = birthday of Mithras” is to be met with rational argument.  We tend to suppose that most people saying this don’t mean any harm.  Perhaps this is true sometimes.  But let us never forget that it is circulated out of malice, not out of ignorance.  The facts are readily available to anyone who cares to know; and it doesn’t take much logic to work that that we don’t sing carols to Thor.

Let us also remember that Jesus was only a few days old when Herod sought to kill him.  There is only one Being who is behind all the lies in the world, and he has hated Christ from the start. 

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The spirit of persecution in Firmicus Maternus

In Firmicus Maternus, The error of profane religion, 16, we read the following exhortation to the emperors (ca. 350):

3. These temples, very holy emperors, one should call them bonfires. Yes, bonfires of poor wretches, this is the name which is right for them. Because the deplorable servitude of men has led them to raise temples instead of tombs for people charged with crimes. Here we maintain the flames that have burned their bodies, the ashes of the dead are kept in obedience to an impious law; their despicable fate is renewed in the blood of victims daily, the sad lamentations for their death are commemorated by annual ceremonies of mourning, a groan comes to awaken the old pain, the low minds of men learn to honor and to imitate the parricides, incests and murders represented in the rites.

4. These abominations, most holy emperors, must be extirpated radically, in order to destroy them; apply to them the most severe regulations of your edicts, do not allow the Roman world to be sullied any longer by this disastrous error, that the impiety of these practices, a true plague, should not gain in power, and that the domination of that which seeks the ruin of the man of God should last no longer. Some refuse, conceal themselves, and desire with a feverish passion their own death. Come all the same to the assistance of these poor wretches, deliver them: they are perishing! It is so that you might remedy this wound that the supreme God has entrusted the empire to you. We know the danger to which their crime exposes them, we know the punishment reserved for their error: better to release some in spite of themselves than to leave them to their own desires to run to their perdition.

5. The sick like what harms them. When disease has seized the body of a man, the sick clamour for what would prevent them from recovering their health. A spirit oppressed by the languor of a disease always wants what will increase it, it mistakes and scorns the remedies of the experts, it resists the care of the doctor, and tends with an impassioned haste towards its own loss. If evil is gaining ground, it uses the most powerful remedies, the medicine that seeks the good of the patient, is more energetic. The repugnant food, the bitter drinks, those who refuse them are made to take them by force; and, if their disease still progresses, iron and fire are employed. Cured finally, returned to health, the man who underwent against his will the care that was given him because of his disease, recognizes, his spirit once again strengthed, that all these torments were inflicted on him for his good.

This is the authentic language of religious persecution.  “It’s for your own good”, the inquisitor cries.  And who decides what is right for me?  Why, the inquisitor!  We need not suppose Firmicus Maternus insincere; but we know that all too often those who claim this right over us have proven to be very insincere and self-seeking.  The emperors here are Constantius II and his ill-fated nephew, Gallus.  Few of us would willingly live under the rule of either.

So it was during the Cold War.  There were not lacking people who knew what was best for me better than I did.  “The will of people” must prevail, they cried; but somehow “the people” always meant “people other than me”. 

It would be nice to think that we have got past this stage, where a minority — or even a majority — force their views on others, “for their own good.”  Sadly there seems no sign of it.  Those who have power always seem to become arrogant.

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Chrysostom on the fewness of those who will be saved

An article at Virtueonline on a corrupt Episcopalian bishop included in the comments a quote ascribed to John Chrysostom, which is found in various forms around the web, but always without attribution. 

The road to hell is paved with the skulls of bishops.

The fullest form seems to be:

The road to Hell is paved with the bones of priests and monks, and the skulls of bishops are the lamp posts that light the path.

But did he say it?  There seems to be some knowledge of a context in web pages I have found; that Chrysostom was commenting on the fewness of those known as Christians who will be saved:

I hear Saint Chrysostom exclaiming with tears in his eyes, “I do not believe that many priests are saved; I believe the contrary, that the number of those who are damned is greater.” …

That is the reasoning of Saint Chrysostom. This Saint says that most Christians are walking on the road to hell throughout their life.

One day Saint John Chrysostom, preaching in the cathedral in Constantinople and considering these proportions, could not help but shudder in horror and ask, “Out of this great number of people, how many do you think will be saved?” And, not waiting for an answer, he added, “Among so many thousands of people, we would not find a hundred who are .

Of course in his day of nominal religion, such comments are undoubtedly correct.

But I cannot find the quote in his works.  Does anyone have a reference?

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The authority of the early Christian writers today

A note in the Patristics Carnival 27 pointed me to an article online written by David Cloud, discussing whether the Fathers are a door to Rome.  

Looking at the article, we quickly see that it is written in response to a particular situation, where US Christian writers have suggested that:

“The early Fathers can bring us back to what is common and help us get behind our various traditions … Here is where our unity lies. … evangelicals need to go beyond talk about the unity of the church to experience it through an attitude of acceptance of the whole church and an entrance into dialogue with the Orthodox, Catholic, and other Protestant bodies”

David Cloud is quite right to query such a statement, because it seems very confused.  The consensus of teaching found in the Fathers of the Church is considered authoritative on matters of doctrine in the Roman Catholic Church.  No doubt someone will be able to give us a reference on this.

But no Protestant holds such a view.  Luther came to the view that Councils of the Church have erred, and do err — thinking of the Council of Constance –, and that no reliance can be placed on them; that only Scripture can be trusted as a source of doctrine.  That is the reformed position. 

How then, can any form of unity be found in perusing works that one side considers inspired, at least where they agree, while the other considers as merely works written by Christians who happened to live a long time ago?  (Indeed Protestants tend to look more suspiciously on all post-Nicene writers).  For we can only consider the consensus of the Fathers as divinely inspired if we have already agreed that Roman Catholicism is true, together with all the doctrines that are superadded onto the New Testament, and that gospel-based Christianity is a mistake.  Whether or not this is so — which I don’t propose to consider here — this is not a point of agreement, but the opposite.  The idea is confused.

David Cloud is right to dismiss this.  But the article then goes down what in my opinion is a blind alley.  He attempts to show that many of the Fathers held views which would be considered strange today.  He is right, of course, but the selection is misleading.  Matters which the gospels do not clearly set forth had to be considered by those who came after the apostles, usually in the face of heretical deceptions, and some form of policy for Christians to be set forth.  Not all the views reached were considered correct in the end. But the article overstates its point when it says:

The fact is that the “early Fathers” were mostly heretics!

This as stated is the reverse of the truth.  The heretic, then as now, is guided by convenience.  Whatever sounds pleasing to the ear, as the apostle put it, leads such men astray.  Again and again, when we look at the teachings of the gnostics we see them prefer some fable of their own invention when faced with a gospel teaching that was embarassing.  Jesus himself, because of his disreputable execution as a criminal, was embarassing to Christians and a source of amused jeering to pagans.  Marcion deals with this by smoothly asserting that Jesus was a phantasm, not really crucified.  Other similar stories were woven by heretics, all with the same end, of pleasing.  Sacrifice to the gods?  Well, why not?  It could be very unpleasant not to!  Convenience doesn’t do “unpleasant”.

The early Christians did not do this.  They died, not to do this.  The commitment to Christ that we ask of every new convert today, to accept Jesus into their life as Lord of their life, is the same commitment that Paul made on the road to Damascus; it is the same commitment that Justin Martyr made on the beach where he met the Christian philosopher; it is the same commitment that Origen made, and paid for with his blood.  Convenience and nominalism are not keynotes of their writings.  They intended to live by the gospel, mistakes and all, and to die with it.  So should we all.

The article then  goes on to list some of the stranger views held by early Christian writers.  But again the author writes incautiously.  In his eagerness to suggest that patristic teaching is not that of the gospels – only partly true – he ends up suggesting that the Fathers did not teach what Christians today call Christianity (and non-Christians, when they think of Christianity).  This is nonsense, of course.  We have only limited access to second century texts today — so much has perished, and nearly all the material that has survived is addressed either to apologetics or works addressing one or another heresy.  We cannot stand in the church and listen to John’s disciple Polycarp preaching, for his works are nearly all lost. 

But to argue, therefore, that some wild discontinuity came into existence between 70 AD and 100 AD seems unwarranted.  The early Christians themselves are not aware of such a discontinuity. 

There is change, of course; the apostles are all dead by 100 AD.  The “living voice” beloved of Papias grows silent, although Polycarp is still preaching in Rome and converting heretics by telling of what the apostle John said and did as late as 155 AD.  At the start of this period, the books of the New Testament are only just being written, or collected; at the end of it, Justin is referring to “memoirs” of the apostles, and as soon as we can see the canon, it looks very like that of today.   The process whereby the church was able to move from oral authority derived from apostles to using their teaching in written form is unknown to us, and occurs in that period, and it is futile to speculate about it.  But these changes, real as they are, are in some sense illusory.  The apostles themselves did not invent doctrine.  They preached what Christ had taught them.  There are no anecdotes of the apostle John bringing out teachings which are unknown to us, for instance.  The New Testament contains the apostolic preaching, and churches that had it were more firmly grounded than those which did not.

So why do we find churches with bishops and deacons rather than apostles and prophets?  The reasons come to us clearly enough in Ignatius and Tertullian; that the heretics refused to listen to the apostolic teachings, selecting whichever bits pleased them and finding excuses to ignore the rest.  So it is today.  The early Christians found that arguing with them only resulted in a headache, or stomach-ache, in the words of Tertullian, and no certain victory or result.  It was quite simply easier, more effective, to appeal to the fact that the church of Ephesus was founded by the apostle John, and that what it taught was derived fairly directly from that source; that churches that followed the apostolic teaching were all in communion with each other; and if you were not in, you were out.  It was a simple, practical way to evade the endless text-twisting and ensure that Christian supported each other. 

Of course we know today that this could lead to evils such as the renaissance papacy of Alexander VI, Rodrigo Borgia.  We know that it could become a power structure.  The reasons why protestants objected to the medieval Catholic church are all valid, and it is a great pity that they were not listened to.  We all know what men who seek to be bishops are capable of; and if we don’t, the “bishops” of the Episcopalian Church in the USA at the moment are giving us an object lesson of hate, selfishness, hypocrisy and dishonesty.  But we should not project this back onto the early church, where “episcopos” meant “overseer”, not a “Prince of the Church”, decorated with the ineffable sublimities of Byzantine church-speak.  As Tertullian remarked, the church is not a conclave of bishops, but the spiritual assembly of spiritual men.  This, of course, is not entirely compatible with Roman Catholic teaching!

When I look at the Fathers, I see people like me.  I see them living in a society somewhat different to ours, but also somewhat similar.  I see God acting in their lives.  I see men turning from sin, and seeking their salvation.  They make mistakes, they write books intended for their contemporaries, some of which have reached us.  (Their works are also of tremendous interest historically, and as a guide to church history, but that is not important for this post). 

Does an interest in the fathers lead to Rome?  It certainly can do.  There have been no lack of people who ached to join the universal Catholic church of ancient times and found themselves led to Rome.  The Oxford Movement Anglicans edited the fathers, and many of them crossed the Tiber.  But it is telling that they mostly edited post-Nicene fathers; Tertullian, at least, would hardly have suited their purpose.

 I do not see that the Fathers point to Rome.  They are, instead, themselves.  The differences between modern Roman Catholic teachings and those of the Fathers seem considerable, not least because Roman Catholic teaching has added to what it received from that source.  Devotion to the Sacred Heart of Mary is not to be found in Ignatius, Irenaeus, or Tertullian!  (Catholic reasons for considering tradition and elaboration to be the work of the Holy Spirit are another issue; but not the subject now)  Protestants remember that our Lord did not endorse the actions of the pharisees in adding the tradition of men to the teachings of God.  Tertullian makes plain, in the introduction to Adversus Praxean, where he draws up the formula of the Trinity, that he is NOT introducing an innovation.

The fathers provide us with historical evidence of Christian origins.  They provide us with the means to refute the cruder falsehoods that we see atheists circulate on the web.  They provide us with clear proof that some academic histories of Christianity are substantially false and unfaithful to the facts, which only the Fathers provide to modern men.  In spiritual terms they can be disappointing; the apostolic fathers collection does not make my heart warm, I must say.  True spirit-filled gospel faith often leaves only ashes in written form, as I know myself.  The reality was to be there, in the presence of God, and is not to be captured in words.  In all this, they can serve Catholic and Protestant alike, and we can value them.    But a gateway to Rome?  A path to Christian union?  I do not see it.

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Chrysostom on marriage

An intelligent, discreet, and pious young woman is worth more than all the money in the world. Tell her that you love her more than your own life, because this present life is nothing, and that your only hope is that the two of you pass through this life in such a way that, in the world to come, you will be united in perfect love.

H/t Mike Aquilina

— from Homily 20 on Ephesians 5:22-33, on page 61 of the little St. Vladimir’s book On Marriage and Family Life. (On Google Books).

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Still driving on Manuel

I’m labouring away on translating the 7th Dialogue with a Persian of Manuel II Paleologus, the work that was the pretext for all those Moslem attacks on the Pope.  I’m beginning to get an idea of the context of the quotation; “what did Mohammed bring into the world that was not evil.”

The whole dialogue is addressing a single question: which is the best Law? — that of Moses, that of Christ, or that of Mohammed.  Both sides agree that Christ added to the Law of Moses; that Mohammed added his stuff on top of both.  So the question is whether the additions made were an improvement.

Both sides agree that Christ’s additions improved the Law of Moses.  But the learned Persian asserts that the Law of Christ is impractical for ordinary people, and the additions of Mohammed make it tolerable and practical.  Manuel is having none of this; which of them, he asks, is not in fact an evil?

That was the real context.

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UK Govt attack on Catholic adoption agency continues

Cranmer has the following piece on one of the Catholic adoption agencies which went to court to defend their right not to place children with gay couples, in accordance with Catholic teaching.  They lost, and got a £75,000 bill for their pains.

Passing laws to allow bigots to drag Christians into court on one pretext or another is almost a fingerprint-test for a repressive regime.  Apparently laws to allow gay activists to do this are being passed at the moment.

I wonder if I will get dragged into court?  After all, I think sodomy is a sin too; I and 2bn other Christians. 

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UK: police threaten preacher with arrest for saying homosexuality is a sin (even though he didn’t mention it)

This, with video, from the Cranmer politics blog:

From The Christian Institute, it transpires that police officers told an open-air preacher in Gainsborough, Lincolnshire, that it is a criminal offence to identify homosexuality as a sin. They said this to Andy Robertson, even though he had not mentioned anything to do with homosexuality in his preaching.

Also here and here

Only in oppressive societies do the police threaten Christian preachers with arrest for preaching. 

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