{"id":2661,"date":"2009-09-26T16:51:56","date_gmt":"2009-09-26T15:51:56","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.roger-pearse.com\/weblog\/?p=2661"},"modified":"2009-09-26T16:51:56","modified_gmt":"2009-09-26T15:51:56","slug":"so-who-is-theo-of-smyrna-or-even-theon-of-smyrna","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/roger-pearse.com\/weblog\/2009\/09\/26\/so-who-is-theo-of-smyrna-or-even-theon-of-smyrna\/","title":{"rendered":"So who is Theo of Smyrna? (or even Theon of Smyrna)"},"content":{"rendered":"

Following on from my previous post<\/a>\u00a0on Mithras in Zenobius, who is this Theo of Smyrna who also mentions a list of the eight elements, probably from Persian sources?\u00a0 All I have is an edition, ‘Hiller’ and “p. 104, 20”.<\/p>\n

There are times when Wikipedia is a useful summary of whatever there is online.\u00a0 Theon of Smyrna<\/a> has an article.\u00a0 He’s a technical writer, a mathematical philosopher of the early 2nd century AD.\u00a0 At least one of his works is extant, the expositio rerum mathematicarum ad legendum Platonem utilium<\/em><\/a> or exposition of mathematical ideas useful for the reading of Plato<\/em>.\u00a0 A look at COPAC<\/a> shows me that it was edited by Eduard Hiller in the Tuebner series in Leipzig in 1878.\u00a0 A photographic reprint was made in 1995.\u00a0 A French translation Exposition des connaissances mathematiques utiles pour la lecture de platon<\/em>\u00a0<\/a>was made by J. Dupuis in 1892, reprinted 1966.\u00a0 Thanks to Google books, both are online.<\/p>\n

And finally a curious English translation does seem to exist:<\/p>\n

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Theon, of Smyrna: Mathematics useful for understanding Plato<\/em>; translated from the 1892 Greek\/French edition of J. Dupuis by Robert and Deborah Lawlor and edited and annotated by Christos Toulis and others; with an appendix of notes by Dupuis, a copious glossary, index of works, etc. Series: Secret doctrine reference series Published: San Diego : Wizards Bookshelf, 1979. ISBN: 0913510246. 174pp. Notes: Cover title: Twn kata to mathematikon chresimwn eis ten Platonos anagnwsin.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

Hmm.\u00a0 That sounds like an amateur\u00a0translation of the French of Dupuis.<\/p>\n

So… what does he say?\u00a0 Well, I find from the PDF that the material is actually on p.105 of Hiller, lines 4-5 (p.120 of the Google books PDF).\u00a0 The magic word “Orphicos” appears above it, and then three lines of quotation.\u00a0 The name of Evandros appears beneath.\u00a0<\/p>\n

In the notes at the foot\u00a0 of the page is a cross-reference to Zenobius V, 78, which we examined earlier.\u00a0 Then a list of related material: Porphyry De antro nympharum<\/em> 24, calling Mithras “demiurgos” (creator);\u00a0 and Proclus’ commentary on the Timaeus of Plato p. 93 E, where the Orphic creator-god Phanes is given the same title.\u00a0 Then a couple of old scholarly works are listed, on Orphism.\u00a0 All this, incidentally, in a section on numbers.\u00a0<\/p>\n

Let’s see if we can find out what the context is.<\/p>\n

So now I go to Dupuis, who gives quite an introduction and even lists manuscripts.\u00a0 The French National Library alone has a bunch of them, so this is plainly not a rare work, although I had never heard of it before.<\/p>\n

A bit of guesswork and looking at an index for “Evandre” gives us page 173 (PDF page is 210), which is precisely the passage in question.\u00a0 It is chapter 47 of the work.\u00a0 Here it is, from Dupuis’ French.<\/p>\n

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47.\u00a0 The number eight which is the first cube composed of unity and seven. Some say that there are eight gods who are masters of the universe, and this is also what we see in the sayings of Orpheus:<\/p>\n

By the creators of things ever immortal,
\nFire and water, earth and heaven, moon,
\nAnd sun, the great Phanes and the dark night.<\/p>\n

And Evander reports that in Egypt may be found on a column an inscription of King Saturn and Queen Rhea: “The most ancient of all, King Osiris, to the immortal gods, to the spirit, to heaven and earth, to night and day, to the father of all that is and all that will be, and to Love, souvenir of the magificence of his life.”\u00a0 Timotheus also reports the proverb, “Eight is all, because the spheres of the world which rotate around the earth are eight.” And, as Erastothenes says,<\/p>\n

“These eight spheres harmonise together in making their revolutions around the earth.”<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

As a literary reference to syncretism between Mithras and Phanes, this lacks quite a bit.\u00a0 But interesting, all the same, as examples of the sort of pseudo-knowledge being mixed up in antiquity.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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