{"id":48272,"date":"2024-02-01T12:49:03","date_gmt":"2024-02-01T12:49:03","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.roger-pearse.com\/weblog\/?p=48272"},"modified":"2024-02-01T12:49:03","modified_gmt":"2024-02-01T12:49:03","slug":"methodius-ad-theodorum-bhg-1352y-part-4-a-draft-translation-using-ai","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/roger-pearse.com\/weblog\/2024\/02\/01\/methodius-ad-theodorum-bhg-1352y-part-4-a-draft-translation-using-ai\/","title":{"rendered":"Methodius ad Theodorum (BHG 1352y) Part 4 &#8211; A Draft Translation using AI"},"content":{"rendered":"<p align=\"justify\">Sometimes the only way forward is to plunge in, and see what happens.\u00a0 So I have taken the modern Greek translation of Methodius ad Theodorum by Ch. Stergioulis, and machine-translated it into English.\u00a0 The results are attached, together with Stergioulis original, which has the ancient Greek facing the modern Greek, and footnotes at the end.<\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\">The ancient Greek original is preserved in a single Vatican manuscript, which gave the editor, G. Anrich, a lot of problems &#8211; so much so that he printed it in volume 1 of his\u00a0<em>Agios Nikolaos<\/em>, and then printed a transcription of the manuscript in vol. 2, with corrections.\u00a0 Some of his footnotes in vol. 1 betray bafflement; and so do some of Stergioulis&#8217; footnotes!\u00a0 Words otherwise unknown, I gather.\u00a0 It&#8217;s clear that the text is corrupt.<\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\">I scanned Stergioulis&#8217; translation into a Word document (attached).\u00a0 Then for each chapter I did the following:<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li>Run the Greek through Google Translate and paste it into a Word document.<\/li>\n<li>Send a request to <a href=\"https:\/\/bard.google.com\/chat\">Bard AI<\/a>, &#8220;please translate this from modern Greek into English, with notes&#8221;, followed by the Greek.\u00a0 The notes were usually useless, but sometimes not.<\/li>\n<li>Send a request to <a href=\"https:\/\/chat.openai.com\/\">ChatGPT 3.5<\/a>, &#8220;please translate this from modern Greek into English&#8221; (this wouldn&#8217;t give notes), followed by the Greek.<\/li>\n<li>Manually modify the Google Translate output in the Word document using the output from the two AI websites.\u00a0 Where all three agreed, this was no problem, and it was just a case of choosing the most pleasant version.\u00a0 Where one disagreed, I looked a bit harder at it.\u00a0 Where all three disagreed, I started looking up some key words in Greek dictionaries, and looked at the footnotes.\u00a0 There was\u00a0 in fact only one sentence, in chapter 10, where the meaning of a clause -&#8220;\u03ba\u03b1\u03b9 \u03c6\u03bf\u03b2\u03bf\u03cd\u03bc\u03b5\u03bd\u03bf\u03c2 \u03c4\u03bf \u03bb\u03b9\u03c7\u03bd\u03b9\u03c3\u03c4\u03ae\u03c1\u03b934 \u03b1\u03c5\u03c4\u03ae\u03c2 \u03c4\u03b7\u03c2 \u03b1\u03bd\u03b8\u03c1\u03c9\u03c0\u03b1\u03c1\u03ad\u03c3\u03ba\u03b5\u03b9\u03b1\u03c2 \u03b3\u03b9\u03b1 \u03c4\u03b7\u03bd \u03b1\u03c0\u03cc\u03ba\u03c4\u03b7\u03c3\u03b7 \u03b1\u03b3\u03b1\u03b8\u03ce\u03bd &#8211; was completely unclear, and I got there in the end.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p align=\"justify\">This was usually straightforward, not least because the chapters were small.<\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\">For a couple of chapters Bard AI threw a wobbly.\u00a0 Instead of outputting a translation, it started to spew a message in Greek, basically saying &#8220;I am an AI model, I don&#8217;t know how to do that.&#8221;\u00a0 It seems that it was ignoring the English part of my request string, thought that I was writing in Greek, and so it treated the Greek passage as itself a request to do something, not as something to translate.\u00a0 I found that replying with \u201cCould you translate that request from modern Greek into English?\u201d did the trick, and caused it to translate instead.<\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\">Anyway, here is the output from this process.<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/roger-pearse.com\/weblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/Stergioulis-Greek.pdf\">Stergioulis-Greek<\/a> (PDF, 32mb)<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/roger-pearse.com\/weblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/Stergioulis-Greek-OCR.docx\">Stergioulis-Greek-OCR<\/a> (Word .docx of the modern Greek text)<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/roger-pearse.com\/weblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/Stergioulis-translation.docx\">Stergioulis-translation<\/a> (Word .docx)<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/roger-pearse.com\/weblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/Stergioulis-translation.pdf\">Stergioulis-translation<\/a> (the same, in PDF form)<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p align=\"justify\">The translation is readable enough.\u00a0 I&#8217;m not sure how accurate it is &#8211; any comments, anyone?<\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\">UPDATE: <a href=\"https:\/\/roger-pearse.com\/weblog\/2024\/02\/03\/methodius-ad-theodorum-bhg-1352y-now-online-in-english\/\">final version here<\/a>.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Sometimes the only way forward is to plunge in, and see what happens.\u00a0 So I have taken the modern Greek translation of Methodius ad Theodorum by Ch. Stergioulis, and machine-translated it into English.\u00a0 The results are attached, together with Stergioulis original, which has the ancient Greek facing the modern Greek, and footnotes at the end. 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