{"id":50041,"date":"2024-04-25T20:50:39","date_gmt":"2024-04-25T19:50:39","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.roger-pearse.com\/weblog\/?p=50041"},"modified":"2024-04-25T20:50:39","modified_gmt":"2024-04-25T19:50:39","slug":"from-my-diary-530","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/roger-pearse.com\/weblog\/2024\/04\/25\/from-my-diary-530\/","title":{"rendered":"From my diary"},"content":{"rendered":"<p align=\"justify\">I came across someone online who professed that the transmission of texts from antiquity was so full of mistakes that the modern copies are not reliable sources of information about the past.\u00a0 I demurred, and the response was:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p align=\"justify\">We might say that Plato was right all along, what we see is but shadows projected on to the wall of the cave.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p align=\"justify\">Naturally I pointed out that our source for these words of Plato is itself a literary text transmitted in the manner which he had just dismissed.<\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\">But it lead me to the question: just how is Plato&#8217;s <em>Republic<\/em> transmitted?\u00a0 How do we get our text of Plato?<\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\">For Latin texts we have the marvellous volume by L.D.Reynolds, <em>Texts and Transmissions<\/em>, which presents an overview of the question for each Latin author in turn, compiled by a team of classical scholars including Michael Reeve.<\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\">Sadly I never knew L. D. Reynolds.\u00a0 But I did meet Michael Reeve, who very kindly took me to lunch at high table, and bore my questions and my ignorance with admirable patience.\u00a0 He was, indeed, grieving for Reynolds who had just died, so it was a very bad time for him.\u00a0 He told me that all of the contributors got a bound copy of the book, with blank sheets bound into it on alternate pages to add notes and updates.\u00a0 He wondered where Reynolds&#8217; copy now was, as might we all.\u00a0 Dr Reeve still stands in my memory as an example of what a classical scholar should be.<\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\">But no such volume exists for Greek classical texts.\u00a0 Anybody who wishes to know how we get the texts before us must sift through masses of material in critical editions.\u00a0 Most of this material is both over-detailed and over-narrow in scope for the newcomer to the field.\u00a0 If the last critical edition is old, then it may well be out of date also.\u00a0 The writer may also simply omit material about which he does not know.<\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\">I have spent a bit of time yesterday and today doing exactly this, with the aid of pirate book sites, and I think the effort involved would deter most people.\u00a0 This is why a group of professionals really do need to produce a summary volume!<\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\">So far I have learned that the dialogues were gathered into groups of four (&#8220;tetralogies&#8221;) during the reign of Tiberius; that the earliest manuscripts are 9th century; that papyri do exist, but bring nothing new to the discussion; that the Coptic translation of portions of the <em>Republic<\/em>, found at Nag Hammadi, was really incompetent and is useless for establishing the text; and that Eusebius in his <em>Praeparatio Evangelica<\/em> is an indirect witness useful for the text, and is also the actual source of quotations in later sources like the Suda, rather than the original text.\u00a0 I have also learned that the main edition, the Oxford Classical Text, edited by Burnet, is 120 years old, and relies on collations of manuscripts which are really unreliable; and that Lachmann&#8217;s method of analysing manuscript traditions is really really important when studying Plato&#8217;s manuscripts.<\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\">I will try to produce a short article containing the key points!<\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\">\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I came across someone online who professed that the transmission of texts from antiquity was so full of mistakes that the modern copies are not reliable sources of information about the past.\u00a0 I demurred, and the response was: We might say that Plato was right all along, what we see is but shadows projected on [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_hide_featured_image":false,"_jetpack_featured_image_duplicate_dismissed":0,"_jetpack_feature_clip_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false},"categories":[19],"tags":[1348],"class_list":["post-50041","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-from-my-diary-announcements","tag-plato-textual-tradition"],"jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/roger-pearse.com\/weblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/50041","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/roger-pearse.com\/weblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/roger-pearse.com\/weblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/roger-pearse.com\/weblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/roger-pearse.com\/weblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=50041"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/roger-pearse.com\/weblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/50041\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/roger-pearse.com\/weblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=50041"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/roger-pearse.com\/weblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=50041"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/roger-pearse.com\/weblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=50041"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}