{"id":50091,"date":"2024-04-27T20:17:55","date_gmt":"2024-04-27T19:17:55","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.roger-pearse.com\/weblog\/?p=50091"},"modified":"2024-04-27T20:17:55","modified_gmt":"2024-04-27T19:17:55","slug":"the-collectanea-of-pseudo-bede","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/roger-pearse.com\/weblog\/2024\/04\/27\/the-collectanea-of-pseudo-bede\/","title":{"rendered":"The “Collectanea” of Pseudo-Bede"},"content":{"rendered":"

There is a famous prophecy about the Colosseum, given in variable forms such as this:<\/p>\n

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As long as the Colosseum stands, Rome shall stand.
\nWhen the Colosseum falls, Rome will fall.
\nBut when Rome falls, the world will fall.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

The source for this is the “Collectanea” of pseudo-Bede.<\/p>\n

This is not a text that many will be familiar with.\u00a0 It is listed in the\u00a0Clavis Patrum Latinorum<\/em> as CPL 1129, “Collectanea (Excerptiones Patrum: Flores ex diversis)”, i.e. Miscellaneous (Excerpts from the Fathers, sayings from various).\u00a0 The incipit is “Dic mihi, quaeso, quae est illa mulier”.\u00a0 It’s a collection of excerpts of various sorts.<\/p>\n

The Latin text is available in PL 94, cols. 539-560.\u00a0 This, I learn, reprints the Basel edition of 1563, from the Opera Bedae\u00a0Venerabilis presbyteri Anglosaxonis<\/em> of Johann Herwagen, 8 vols in 4, vol 3, pp.647-74<\/a>.\u00a0 Apparently there is no manuscript, only that solitary edition. This is reprinted in the modern text and translation by Martha Bayless & Michael Lapidge, Collectanea Pseudo-Bedae<\/em>, Dublin (1998), although this was not accessible to me.[ref]First page of review accessible at https:\/\/www.brepolsonline.net\/doi\/abs\/10.1484\/J.Peri.3.449?journalCode=perit[\/ref]<\/p>\n

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The start of the 1563 edition, our only source for the text.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

It is often said that, in the 16th century, printing houses, who received grubby old manuscripts and created nice new clean printed editions, were in the habit of chopping up the now surplus manuscripts in order to use the parchment to bind books.\u00a0 I don’t know on what that is based.\u00a0 It was often supposed that this fate befell the sole manuscript of Velleius Paterculus at Basel, until an 18th letter recording the sale of the manuscript two centuries later came to light.\u00a0 A paper in the Bayless edition apparently offers this as the likely fate of the manuscript.<\/p>\n

The Latin text quoted online varies, but here is the 1563 text:<\/p>\n

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Quamdiu stat Colysaeus, stat & Roma;
\nQuando cadet Colysaeus, cadet & Roma;
\nQuando cadet Roma, cadet & mundus.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

The CPL tells us that the text is apparently 8th century, because it does not include any source later than that date.\u00a0 But opinions vary, it seems.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

There is a famous prophecy about the Colosseum, given in variable forms such as this: As long as the Colosseum stands, Rome shall stand. When the Colosseum falls, Rome will fall. But when Rome falls, the world will fall. The source for this is the “Collectanea” of pseudo-Bede. This is not a text that many […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_hide_featured_image":false,"_jetpack_featured_image_duplicate_dismissed":0,"_jetpack_feature_clip_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false},"categories":[19],"tags":[284,453,1396],"class_list":["post-50091","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-from-my-diary-announcements","tag-bede","tag-colosseum","tag-pseudo-bede"],"jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/roger-pearse.com\/weblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/50091","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/roger-pearse.com\/weblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/roger-pearse.com\/weblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/roger-pearse.com\/weblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/roger-pearse.com\/weblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=50091"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/roger-pearse.com\/weblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/50091\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/roger-pearse.com\/weblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=50091"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/roger-pearse.com\/weblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=50091"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/roger-pearse.com\/weblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=50091"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}