{"id":53140,"date":"2025-01-06T14:18:23","date_gmt":"2025-01-06T14:18:23","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.roger-pearse.com\/weblog\/?p=53140"},"modified":"2025-01-06T14:18:23","modified_gmt":"2025-01-06T14:18:23","slug":"an-interesting-problem-ai-and-marius-mercator-or-not","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/roger-pearse.com\/weblog\/2025\/01\/06\/an-interesting-problem-ai-and-marius-mercator-or-not\/","title":{"rendered":"An interesting problem &#8211; AI and Marius Mercator? &#8230; or not?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p align=\"justify\">Here&#8217;s a pretty question, sent in by email.\u00a0 I imagine that more such letters are in my future, but I am really not sure what to do with them.<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p align=\"justify\">I thought I would drop you a little note to let you know about a project that I have recently uploaded. This is my first attempt at using ChatGPT to translate a Latin text that I have been wanting to read for many years. It is Marius Mercator&#8217;s &#8220;Commonitorium de Coelestio&#8221;\/&#8221;Commonitorium super nomine C\u00e6lestii&#8221;. I, of course, do not know Latin but I am familiar enough with Pelagianism (having studied it intensely for several years) to know what to expect and from that perspective the output text was pretty much what I expected. To my knowledge this has never been available in English before. I have put it up on the Patristics In English website here:<\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.seanmultimedia.com\/Pie_Marius_Mercator_Memo_On_Coelestius_With_Latin_Text.html\">https:\/\/www.seanmultimedia.com\/Pie_Marius_Mercator_Memo_On_Coelestius_With_Latin_Text.html<\/a><\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\">I am not sure of the value of AI translations. On one hand I feel like I was able to get a good understanding of a text that I had wanted to read for many years. On the other, one is left to wonder how accurate they are. At any rate, unless people come after me with pitchforks and torches like Frankenstein&#8217;s monster after reading it, I would like to do more translations like this on Pelagianism. Maybe Pope Zosimus will be next.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p align=\"justify\">A translation of Marius Mercator would be very valuable to have.<\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\">But &#8230; this is an AI output.\u00a0 Is it valuable?<\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\">Well, in some ways, yes.\u00a0 The Latin text has been put online, and the author has run it through ChatGPT which saves us all from having to do the same in order to get an idea of what it says.\u00a0 He&#8217;s given it a read to check that the ideas of Pelagianism are actually there, which is a bonus.\u00a0 Surely this is better, far better, than nothing?<\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\">But in other ways, no.\u00a0 AI is not a translator.\u00a0 It&#8217;s a search engine with a chatbot on the front, turning the search results into something plausible.\u00a0 It can often produce excellent readable translations of a passage.\u00a0 It can also generate material which isn&#8217;t in the source at all.\u00a0 AI is a good tool, to reduce the amount of effort needed to produce a first draft of a translation.\u00a0 But every word and every sentence needs to be checked, compared against the original, in order to produce a reliable translation.\u00a0 The unwary reader will suppose that the AI output is a translation, when it is not.<\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\">What on earth do we make of this?<\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\">\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Here&#8217;s a pretty question, sent in by email.\u00a0 I imagine that more such letters are in my future, but I am really not sure what to do with them. I thought I would drop you a little note to let you know about a project that I have recently uploaded. This is my first attempt [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_hide_featured_image":false,"_jetpack_featured_image_duplicate_dismissed":0,"_jetpack_feature_clip_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false},"categories":[19],"tags":[126,1087],"class_list":["post-53140","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-from-my-diary-announcements","tag-ai-translation","tag-marius-mercator"],"jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/roger-pearse.com\/weblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/53140","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/roger-pearse.com\/weblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/roger-pearse.com\/weblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/roger-pearse.com\/weblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/roger-pearse.com\/weblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=53140"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/roger-pearse.com\/weblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/53140\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/roger-pearse.com\/weblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=53140"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/roger-pearse.com\/weblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=53140"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/roger-pearse.com\/weblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=53140"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}