{"id":9968,"date":"2012-09-26T11:20:59","date_gmt":"2012-09-26T10:20:59","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.roger-pearse.com\/weblog\/?p=9968"},"modified":"2012-09-26T11:20:59","modified_gmt":"2012-09-26T10:20:59","slug":"more-on-codex-palatinus-graecus-129","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/roger-pearse.com\/weblog\/2012\/09\/26\/more-on-codex-palatinus-graecus-129\/","title":{"rendered":"More on codex Palatinus graecus 129"},"content":{"rendered":"

A comment by Dr Divna Manolova\u00a0on my post about some of the Heidelberg manuscripts<\/a> picked up on a problem;\u00a0that I could not tell what the 141 folios of ms. Palatinus graecus 129 actually contained.<\/p>\n

It seems that it consists of working notes by a Byzantine scholar, Nikephoros Gregoras (d. ca. 1359\/1360).\u00a0 The manuscript contains a hand also found in codd. Vat. gr. 116 and 228, which are filled with letters, editorial notes, etc, by the same scholar.<\/p>\n

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That is, Pal. gr. 129, together with several other codices, is one of the material witnesses of the circle of scholars\/scribes Gregoras was part of, or even presiding over.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

She also drew our attention to the catalogue entry for the ms at Pinakes<\/a>, which indicates that the ms. contains an enormous number of excerpts by some fifty different authors.<\/p>\n

An email from George Christodoulou added more information.\u00a0\u00a0With his permission, let me\u00a0give here (slightly edited) what he tells us:<\/p>\n

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Well, having just transcribed for my own use\u00a0a small fraction of the text on fol.1recto, it seems as if what we have here is but a syncopated paraphrasis of random passages from Herodotus.\u00a0 My transcription\u00a0points to Bk.I,178.1 sq., 179.4, 204.1.<\/p>\n

I can\u00a0also refer you to Edmund Fryde\u2019s book, Early Palaeologan Renaissance<\/em> 1261- c.1360 (Brill, 2000).\u00a0 He speaks of Nikephoros Gregoras, and the well known Byzantine scholar\u2019s habit of using Greek authors \u201cmerely as a source of endless citations\u201d (360).\u00a0 He\u00a0singles out for especial reference his autograph codex Palatinus gr. 129, into which Gregoras would copy excerpts from a number of rare authors. In a note, Fryde also mentions a scholarly article by A. Biedl, \u201cDer Heidelberger Codex Pal. gr. 129 \u2013 die Notizien-sammlung eines byzantinischen Gelehrten<\/em>\u201d, W\u00fcrzburger Jahrb\u00fccher 3 (1948), 100-106.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

He also transcribed some of the opening lines, which he confirms are taken from Herodotus, just as the Pinakes entry indicates, and has kindly allowed this to appear here:<\/p>\n

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I.178.1 sqq.\u00a0 <\/strong>\u1f45\u03c4\u03b9 \u039d\u03af\u03bd\u03bf\u03c5<\/strong> <\/strong>\u1f00\u03bd\u03b1\u03c3\u03c4\u03ac\u03c4\u03bf\u03c5<\/strong> <\/strong>\u03b3\u03b5\u03bd\u03bf\u03bc\u03ad\u03bd\u03b7\u03c2<\/strong> \u03bc\u03b5\u03b3\u03ac\u03bb\u03b7\u03c2 \u03c0\u03cc\u03bb\u03b5\u03c9\u03c2 \u03c4\u1ff6\u03bd \u1f08\u03c3\u03c3\u03c5\u03c1\u03af\u03c9\u03bd \u03c4\u1f70<\/strong> <\/strong>\u03b2\u03b1\u03c3\u03b9\u03bb\u03ae\u03b9\u03b1<\/strong> <\/strong>\u03ba\u03b1\u03c4\u03b5\u03c3\u03c4\u03ae\u03ba\u03b5\u03b5\u03bd<\/strong> \u1f10\u03bd \u0392\u03b1\u03b2\u03c5\u03bb\u1ff6\u03bd\u03b9, \u1f23 \u1f10\u03c3\u03c4\u1f76 \u03c4\u03bf\u03b9\u03b1\u03cd\u03c4\u03b7 \u03c0\u03cc\u03bb\u03b9\u03c2. \u03bd\u03ad\u03b5\u03c4\u03b1\u03b9 \u1f10\u03bd<\/strong> <\/strong>\u03c0\u03b5\u03b4\u03af\u1ff3<\/strong> <\/strong>\u03bc\u03b5\u03b3\u03ac\u03bb\u1ff3<\/strong> \u03c4\u1fc6\u03c2 \u1f08\u03c3\u03c3\u03c5\u03c1\u03af\u03b7\u03c2. \u03bc\u03ad\u03b3\u03b1<\/strong>–<\/strong>\u03b8\u03bf\u03c2<\/strong> <\/strong>\u1f10\u03bf\u1fe6\u03c3\u03b1<\/strong> <\/strong>\u03bc\u03ad\u03c4\u03c9\u03c0\u03bf\u03bd<\/strong> <\/strong>\u1f15\u03ba\u03b1\u03c3\u03c4\u03bf\u03bd<\/strong> <\/strong>\u03c1\u03ba\u0384<\/strong> <\/strong>\u03c3\u03c4\u03b1\u03b4\u03af\u03c9\u03bd<\/strong> <\/strong>\u1f10\u03bf\u03cd\u03c3\u03b7\u03c2<\/strong> <\/strong>\u03c4\u03b5\u03c4\u03c1\u03b1\u03b3\u03ce<\/strong>–<\/strong>\u03bd\u03bf\u03c5<\/strong>. \u03c4\u1f78 \u03b4\u1f72 \u03c4\u03b5\u1fd6\u03c7\u03bf\u03c2 \u03b1\u1f50\u03c4\u1fc6\u03c2 \u03c0\u03b5\u03bd\u03c4\u03ae\u03ba\u03bf\u03bd\u03c4\u03b1 \u03c0\u03ae\u03c7\u03b5\u03c9\u03bd \u03b2\u03b1\u03c3\u03b9\u03bb\u03b7\u1fd3\u03c9\u03bd \u03c4\u1f78 \u03b5\u1f56- \u03c1\u03bf\u03c2, \u1f55\u03c8\u03bf\u03c2 \u03b4\u1f72 \u03b4\u03b9\u03b7\u03ba\u03bf\u03c3\u03af\u03c9\u03bd. \u1f41<\/strong> <\/strong>\u03b4\u1f72<\/strong> <\/strong>\u03b2\u03b1\u03c3\u03b9\u03bb\u03ae\u03ca\u03bf\u03c2<\/strong> <\/strong>\u03c0\u1fc6\u03c7\u03c5\u03c2<\/strong> <\/strong>\u03c4\u03bf\u1fe6<\/strong> <\/strong>\u03bc\u03b5\u03c4\u03c1\u03af\u03bf\u03c5<\/strong> <\/strong>\u1f10\u03c3\u03c4\u1f76<\/strong> <\/strong>\u03c0\u03ae\u03c7\u03b5\u03c9\u03c2<\/strong> <\/strong>\u03bc\u03ad\u03b6\u03c9\u03bd<\/strong> <\/strong>\u03c4\u03c1\u03b9\u03c3\u1f76<\/strong> <\/strong>\u03b4\u03b1\u03ba\u03c4\u03cd\u03bb\u03bf\u03b9\u03c3\u03b9\u03bd<\/strong>:<\/p>\n

\u0399<\/strong>.179.4 sqq.\u00a0 <\/strong>\u1f45\u03c4\u03b9 \u03c0\u03bf\u03c4\u03b1\u03bc\u03cc\u03c2 \u03c4\u03b9\u03c2 \u1f3a\u03c2 \u1f44\u03bd\u03bf\u03bc\u03b1 \u03b5\u1f30\u03c3\u03b2\u03ac\u03bb\u03bb\u03b5\u03b9 \u03b5\u1f30\u03c2 \u03c4\u1f78\u03bd \u0395\u1f50\u03c6\u03c1\u03ac-\u03c4\u03b7\u03bd \u03c0\u03bf\u03c4\u03b1\u03bc\u1f78\u03bd \u03c4\u1f78 \u1fe5\u03ad\u03b5\u03b8\u03c1\u03bf\u03bd<\/strong>.\u00a0 \u1f43\u03c2 \u1f05\u03bc\u03b1 \u03c4\u1ff7 \u1f55\u03b4\u03b1\u03c4\u03b9 \u03b8\u03c1\u03cc\u03bc\u03b2\u03bf\u03c5\u03c2 \u1f00\u03c3\u03c6\u03ac\u03bb-\u03c4\u03bf\u03c5 \u1f00\u03bd\u03b1\u03b4\u03b9\u03b4\u03bf\u1fd6 \u03c0\u03bf\u03bb\u03bb\u03bf\u03cd\u03c2.\u00a0 \u1f14\u03bd\u03b8\u03b5\u03bd \u1f21 \u1f04\u03c3\u03c6\u03b1\u03bb\u03c4\u03bf\u03c2 \u03b5\u1f30\u03c2 \u03c4\u1f78 \u1f10\u03bd \u0392\u03b1\u03b2\u03c5\u03bb\u1ff6-\u03bd\u03b9 \u03c4\u03b5\u1fd6\u03c7\u03bf\u03c2 \u1f10\u03ba\u03bf\u03bc\u03af\u03c3\u03b8\u03b7<\/strong>:<\/p>\n

\u0399.204.1 <\/strong>\u1f45\u03c4\u03b9\u00a0 \u1f00\u03c0\u1f78 \u03c4\u1fc6\u03c2 \u039a\u03b1\u03c3\u03c0\u03af\u03b7\u03c2 \u03b8\u03b1\u03bb\u03ac\u03c3\u03c3\u03b7\u03c2, \u03c4\u1f70 \u03bc\u1f72\u03bd \u03c0\u03c1\u1f78\u03c2 \u03c4\u1f74\u03bd \u1f11\u03c3\u03c0\u03ad-\u03c1\u03b7\u03bd \u03c6\u03ad\u03c1\u03bf\u03bd\u03c4\u03b1 \u1f41 \u039a\u03b1\u03cd\u03ba\u03b1\u03c3\u03bf\u03c2 \u1f00\u03c0\u03b5\u03af\u03c1\u03b3\u03b5\u03b9 [\u03b3\u1fc6\u03c2 \u1f44\u03c1\u03bf\u03c2 readings uncertain] \u03bc\u03ad\u03b3\u03b9\u03c3\u03c4\u03bf\u03bd \u03ba\u03b1\u1f76 \u1f51\u03c8\u03b7\u03bb\u03cc\u03c4\u03b1\u03c4\u03bf\u03bd. \u03c4\u1f70 \u03b4\u1f72 \u03c0\u03c1\u1f78\u03c2 \u1f20\u1ff6 \u03c4\u03b5 \u03ba\u03b1\u1f76 \u1f25\u03bb\u03b9\u03bf\u03bd \u1f00\u03bd\u03b1\u03c4\u03ad\u03bb-\u03bb\u03bf\u03bd\u03c4\u03b1 \u03c0\u03b5\u03b4\u03af\u03bf\u03bd \u1f10\u03ba\u03b4\u03ad\u03ba\u03b5\u03c4\u03b1\u03b9 \u03c0\u03bb\u1fc6\u03b8\u03bf\u03c2 \u1f04\u03c0\u03b5\u03b9\u03c1\u03bf\u03bd \u03b5\u1f30\u03c2 \u1f04\u03c0\u03bf\u03c8\u03b9\u03bd<\/strong>. \u03bf\u1f57 \u03bc\u03bf\u03af-\u03c1\u03b7\u03bd \u03bf\u1f50\u03ba \u1f10\u03bb\u03b1\u03c7\u03af\u03c3\u03c4\u03b7\u03bd \u03bc\u03b5\u03c4\u03ad\u03c7\u03bf\u03c5\u03c3\u03b9\u03bd \u03bf\u1f31 \u039c\u03b1\u03c3\u03c3\u03b1\u03b3\u03ad\u03c4\u03b1\u03b9, \u1f10\u03c0\u2019 \u03bf\u1f53\u03c2 \u1f41 \u039a\u1fe6\u03c1\u03bf\u03c2<\/strong> \u1f10\u03c3\u03c4\u03c1\u03ac\u03c4\u03b5\u03c5\u03c3\u03b5 \u03c0\u03ad\u03c1\u03b7\u03bd \u03bf\u1f30\u03ba\u03b7\u03bc\u03ad\u03bd\u03bf\u03c5\u03c2 \u03c4\u03bf\u1fe6 \u1f44\u03c1\u03bf\u03c5\u03c2 \u03ba\u03b1\u1f76 \u03c4\u03bf\u1fe6 \u03c0\u03bf\u03c4\u03b1-\u03bc\u03bf\u1fe6.<\/p>\n

\u0399.214.3 <\/strong>\u00a0\u1f51\u03c0\u1f78 \u03c4\u03bf\u03cd\u03c4\u03c9\u03bd \u03c4\u1ff6\u03bd \u039c\u03b1\u03c3\u03c3\u03b1\u03b3\u03b5\u03c4\u1ff6\u03bd\u00a0 \u03c4\u1f78 \u03c0\u03bf\u03bb\u1f7a \u03c4\u1fc6\u03c2 \u03a0\u03b5\u03c1\u03c3\u03b9\u03ba\u1fc6\u03c2 \u03c3\u03c4\u03c1\u03b1\u03c4\u03b9\u1fc6\u03c2<\/strong> \u03c4\u03cc\u03c4\u03b5 \u1f10\u03c6\u03b8\u03ac\u03c1\u03b7 \u1f10\u03ba\u03b5\u1fd6 \u03ba\u03b1\u1f76 \u03b1\u1f50\u03c4\u1f78\u03c2 \u03c3\u03c5\u03bd\u03c4\u03b5\u03c4\u03b5\u03bb\u03b5\u03c5\u03c4\u03ae\u03ba\u03b5\u03b9 \u1f41 \u039a\u1fe6\u03c1\u03bf\u03c2.\u00a0 \u03bb\u03ad\u03b3\u03bf\u03c5\u03c3\u03b9 \u03b4\u1f72 \u03ba\u03b1\u1f76 \u03c3\u03ba\u03c5\u03b8\u03b9\u03ba\u1f78\u03bd \u03b5\u1f36\u03bd\u03b1\u03b9 \u03c4\u03bf\u1fe6\u03c4\u03bf \u03c4\u1f78 \u1f14\u03b8\u03bd\u03bf\u03c2:<\/p>\n

[Herodotus\u2019 original text underlined above in bold letters.]<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

My\u00a0thanks to Dr Christodoulou for this!<\/p>\n

One further\u00a0point was made by Dr Manolova, and\u00a0is also very interesting:<\/p>\n

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In Pal. gr. 129 Gregoras used two different styles of handwriting. I am not sure how common this is, but I found it intriguing that one could variate one\u2019s handwriting for different purposes; with respect of different content and contexts.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

Indeed so, and an interesting subject for research.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

A comment by Dr Divna Manolova\u00a0on my post about some of the Heidelberg manuscripts picked up on a problem;\u00a0that I could not tell what the 141 folios of ms. Palatinus graecus 129 actually contained. It seems that it consists of working notes by a Byzantine scholar, Nikephoros Gregoras (d. ca. 1359\/1360).\u00a0 The manuscript contains a […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"advanced_seo_description":"","jetpack_seo_html_title":"","jetpack_seo_noindex":false,"jetpack_seo_schema_type":"","_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_hide_featured_image":false,"_jetpack_featured_image_duplicate_dismissed":0,"_jetpack_feature_clip_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false},"categories":[19],"tags":[820,1075],"class_list":["post-9968","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-from-my-diary-announcements","tag-heidelberg","tag-manuscripts"],"jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/roger-pearse.com\/weblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/9968","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/roger-pearse.com\/weblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/roger-pearse.com\/weblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/roger-pearse.com\/weblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/roger-pearse.com\/weblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=9968"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/roger-pearse.com\/weblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/9968\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/roger-pearse.com\/weblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=9968"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/roger-pearse.com\/weblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=9968"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/roger-pearse.com\/weblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=9968"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}